Comments on: Tagging? In Nautilus? *explode* http://blog.chipx86.com/2006/02/21/tagging-in-nautilus-explode/ Various stuff from some guy. Thu, 03 May 2012 12:39:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Peter Harvey http://blog.chipx86.com/2006/02/21/tagging-in-nautilus-explode/#comment-583 Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:33:09 +0000 http://www.chipx86.com/blog/?p=155#comment-583 Seems that my ISP doesn’t like “potentially copyrighted forms of files”. I’ve placed it on my uni page instead.
http://www.dsl.uow.edu.au/~harvey/using_list.avi

I agree that the idea of an auto-generated bundle would be nice, if you are really going to have a huge number of tags. We may even leverage that in Epiphany later, if users start having >100 topics. But this is Epiphany’s answer to bookmark hierarchies, and so ensuring it scales well to reasonably large topic/bookmark collections was important to us as well.

By the way, why use space as a separator? You’re ruling out the user’s option to have space in their tag/topic names. You can’t write “Open Source” or “Jack’s Birthday” easily with space separators. Basically, I’m wondering why not use commas?

Also note that Epiphany requires an explicit “Create New Topic”, though this is negotiable. We did it to ensure that users don’t accidentally write “Opne Source” and end up very confused. It was also easier to implement that way given our current codebase. :)

]]> By: David Trowbridge http://blog.chipx86.com/2006/02/21/tagging-in-nautilus-explode/#comment-582 Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:59:21 +0000 http://www.chipx86.com/blog/?p=155#comment-582 After thinking about this, I’m a little reticent to have things “move around.” Unless it behaves perfectly (unlikely given the nature of humans), anything other than alphabetical order can make things unpredictable and difficult to find, especially in a list of hundreds of tags.

I am, however, very interested in the “suggested/related” heuristic. Having another synthetic bundle at the front for suggestions would be very nice :)

]]> By: David Trowbridge http://blog.chipx86.com/2006/02/21/tagging-in-nautilus-explode/#comment-581 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:24:21 +0000 http://www.chipx86.com/blog/?p=155#comment-581 404 on that .avi link

]]> By: Peter Harvey http://blog.chipx86.com/2006/02/21/tagging-in-nautilus-explode/#comment-580 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:55:37 +0000 http://www.chipx86.com/blog/?p=155#comment-580 Have just uploaded a better version of that animation. It shows how a user can use multiple paths to select the same set of topics, and how we “suggest” topics based on the user’s existing topic/bookmark arrangements:
http://home.exetel.com.au/harvey/epiphany/bookmark/using_list.avi

]]> By: Peter Harvey http://blog.chipx86.com/2006/02/21/tagging-in-nautilus-explode/#comment-579 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:48:29 +0000 http://www.chipx86.com/blog/?p=155#comment-579 The most interesting thing is how the topics are used to construct the bookmarks menu. Also how the same algorithm defines the ordering of topics in our list.

While the UI suggested for Nautilus does pack more tags into the screen, it might be worthwhile to try using Epiphany’s heuristic for automatically identifying topics the user will want to use. For example, “currently selected” tags at the top, “suggested/related” tags immediately beneath, and “all” tags below.

Our animation isn’t as slick, but you can see roughly how the “suggested” tags work by watching this a few times:
http://home.exetel.com.au/harvey/epiphany/bookmark/using_list.gif

]]> By: David Trowbridge http://blog.chipx86.com/2006/02/21/tagging-in-nautilus-explode/#comment-578 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:21:03 +0000 http://www.chipx86.com/blog/?p=155#comment-578 In reality, this dialog and epiphany’s aren’t that different.

Take a look at this: http://home.exetel.com.au/harvey/epiphany/bookmark/list2.png

Both have a text entry, which is meant to be the “primary” mode of interaction. Both have a list of your existing tags. The difference is that leaftag will have bundles (like del.icio.us), and potentially hundreds of tags per user. As discussed with the previous fstaglib nautilus screenshot, the big list of check-boxes just doesn’t scale. It’s my hope that with bundles (imagine more expander boxes below “all tags”), this UI can elegantly handle that many.

]]> By: Fudeblog by Cesar Cardoso » Aqui e ali http://blog.chipx86.com/2006/02/21/tagging-in-nautilus-explode/#comment-577 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 04:59:12 +0000 http://www.chipx86.com/blog/?p=155#comment-577 [...] E finalmente os tags no Nautilus começam a virar realidade. Weeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!! [...]

]]> By: Jakub Steiner http://blog.chipx86.com/2006/02/21/tagging-in-nautilus-explode/#comment-576 Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:10:09 +0000 http://www.chipx86.com/blog/?p=155#comment-576 Man this is awesome. Die emblems, die!

]]> By: Reinout van Schouwen http://blog.chipx86.com/2006/02/21/tagging-in-nautilus-explode/#comment-575 Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:55:33 +0000 http://www.chipx86.com/blog/?p=155#comment-575 It looks like the Nautilus tagger is taking a very different approach UI-wise as the new topic selector in Epiphany.
(Read more on http://home.exetel.com.au/harvey/epiphany/bookmark/). It might be nice to combine efforts here!

]]> By: Peter Harvey http://blog.chipx86.com/2006/02/21/tagging-in-nautilus-explode/#comment-574 Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:51:57 +0000 http://www.chipx86.com/blog/?p=155#comment-574 Please see the work at http://home.exetel.com.au/harvey/epiphany/bookmark/ and http://home.exetel.com.au/harvey/epiphany/bookmark/using_entry.gif

The screenshots there are slightly out-of-date, but the text is pretty much accurate. Email me if you are interested in using any of the work there. It is in Epiphany CVS HEAD and will be in the coming release.

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